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Accepted Joy*'s avatar

This was a good article. It expresses quite a few issues I have with that libertarian morality. The fact that it’s never just yourself that you’re hurting (plus you shouldn’t hurt yourself) for instance. Keep up the good work. :>

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C.G Constantine's avatar

Pretty good article.

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AJ's avatar

I'd go with "exceptional". And it applies not just to silly internet conflicts, but actual real-world politics as well.

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Mr0303's avatar

A lot of sophistry ending up in the "we need to censor what I don't like". I have not seen Arch's video, but the principle is simple - anything should be allowed in fiction. I find tattoos gross. I would never install a mod like that, but that's my personal choice for a product that I own. Choosing to smoke in your car is bad for you, but I will not forbid it by law.

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Codex redux's avatar

"we need to censor what I don't like"

I don't like child rape.

Or slander.

Make your moral argument for why either belong in fiction.

You've begged the question.

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Mr0303's avatar

Because fiction is not real. The author may want to portray a villain or a slanderous character. I don't like murder, yet you can find plenty of that in fiction - why should that be allowed? Do you like murder if the answer is "yes"?

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Codex redux's avatar

Fiction is real. It exists.

The author may want to lie, or commit fraud. Tant pis. "I want" is not a moral argument.

There's plenty of fraud in government. Should that be allowed? Many people like it. Many do not. Again. Not a moral argument.

The OP is making a moral argument "it is wrong to tell stories that say X"

You still have not answered his moral claim, except by assuming the conclusion.

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Dsterbd's avatar

Fiction is False, not Real.

fic·tion

[ˈfikSHən]

literature in the form of prose that describes imaginary events and people:

"his fiction found readers in each new generation" · "she has published four works of fiction" · "a fiction writer"

something that is invented or untrue:

"they were supposed to be keeping up the fiction that they were happily married" · "the report was dismissed as fiction"

a belief or statement that is false but is often held to be true because it is expedient to do so:

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What The Egad's avatar

What is fiction based on?

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Mr0303's avatar

One's imagination.

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Mr0303's avatar

No, it's not. Otherwise an author who writes about murder should be in jail. You avoided my question, likely because you realised your own hypocrisy.

His moral claim is invalid, because we're talking about fiction, where anything should be allowed. There's no wrong story, just ones that are not worth reading.

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What The Egad's avatar

So you belive its permissible for an author to write about erotica involving children including rape?

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Mr0303's avatar

Yes. An author can write anything, including bad things like murder, rape and genocide. What are your limits? Should any of the things I listed be allowed in fiction in your perfect world?

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James Allin's avatar

Would you explain what fiction media you are talikng about? I had never heard of this game (?) or the commentor in question.

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What The Egad's avatar

A link was provided in the s article as well.

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John F. Trent's avatar

The discussion was started by a mod in Stellar Blade.

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