Brandon Sanderson was what many considered to be the last, best hope for the epic fantasy genre after his Mistborn series and finishing Robert Jordan’s Wheel Of Time, but in recent years, the Tor Books author has gone woke, and fans say the current The Stormlight Archive novel, Wind and Truth has gone too far.
"Bait and switch" Bro changed his stance on "sinful lifestyles" over a decade ago. He has been incredibly clear that he supports LGBTQ rights for a long time now. There is one gay couple that kisses once and holds hand twice in a book larger than the complete LotR. GET OVER IT.
I had no idea since I had never heard of this faggot or his drivel books. You are obviously too distracted by drooling over Cooper Anderson and channel surfing between CNN and MSNBC to have noticed that the post mentions the first books in the series didn’t include any queer bait trash AND THEN HE SUDDENLY INSERTS RAINBOW VOMIT FAGGOTS pissing off fans. Did you even read the post bro? Now off you fuck.
We’re not “getting over it”, the pushing of degenerate and sinful lifestyles is not acceptable and we will not take it lying down. Go back to BlueSky where you belong, faggot.
Who is he chasing? The 3 blue hairs who wouldn't buy his book anyway? There have been more convincing photos of Bigfoot than any quantifiable measurement of the "modern" audience.
It is the unfortunate reality that most book buyers are women. It is also the unfortunate reality that 80% of the publishing industry is now women. I’d be willing to bet money that most of Sanderson’s direct writing/editing team, as well as his company in general, are women.
...and that is truly sad. It defies logic, and really is a self-licking ice cream cone. The audience is tiny who read fantasy and sci fi and are women. At least they don't want you to think so, of course. It's something akin to how Disney destroyed the built-in audience of Star Wars, chasing after a demographic who never liked the series or the genre to begin with. The Force isn't 'female'... they are desperate to erase men.
Perhaps they're jealous that they aren't as strong or as logical (on average). Perhaps they dislike that their primary hormone gives them nurturing and motherly ability while men makes strength, power, and analtyical thought. (on average.) I'm not saying that women and men are completely different. We are built to serve different roles. It's a pretty good idea that this happens in the animal kingdom and they can't see it. It's no secret if you look at history, these things become self-evident. I am not referring to taking away rights for women... except maybe the right to vote... that has been a disaster. ;) (They didn't get that little card from the draft board... which is why they didn't get the right to vote for SO long...) Tell a woman that, and she'll turn purple with rage... but it's the truth. I am not against women. I am against women erasing men and traditional masculinity. It's just that simple.
We are a special creation... made in God's image... and He has a purpose for male and female. They want to subvert this, because they hate being themselves. They hate being wpmen. (See: Ellen Page.)
Poor George Orwell will never get rest. He was a socialist that leaned anarchist and just hated Russia. He explicitly stated this many times in his personal writing. Yet you people love to pretend he agreed with you.
Second, Orwell "just hated" totalitarians of all persuasion. "The problem with leftists is that they have wanted to be antifascist without being antitotalitarian."
Woke Leftists claim the antifascist label while being totalitarian.
Modernity is such a plague to fiction. I read for escapism and immersion. I don't care to read anything that evokes the modern day no matter what side of the political spectrum. If I wanted that, I would just read articles online.
I have to admit I didn't see this one coming, never read any of his works but I must confess that I had planned to start in March.... this is quite disappointing, I've quite a few friends who like Sanderson. I have no doubt this will make money but not sure what else it is for? People are tired of this agenda nonsense, I imagine this will definitely get him in trouble with his fanbase.
Dude I would still read it personally, the gay stuff is kinda annoying but also not a huge element and pretty tame (it's not like you have to hear about sodomy and the forbidden love stuff is more about them being different species than gay). The most annoying element to me was that combat was downplayed a lot compared to the first 3 books, since the spectacular and creative magic systems get to shine the most when they are showcased in combat having characters turn pacifistic is a big waste of Brandon Sanderson's talent. However there was still enough combat to be enjoyable and the overall "message" of the book felt more apolitical than woke.
To each their own, M. Huxley. I’m still not keen on it in any form as to my mind this genre should be above modern politics but do go ahead and disagree with me, I don’t mind.
Dude literally has sold more than 3x as many books as game of thrones. Maybe all you lot are the ones failing to "read the room"? Stop demanding people create exactly how you want them to, eh? If you can't find someone in this world of self publishing who will perfectly echo back your world view to you and you don't want to try writing yourself you can always ask an LLM to remove all of your triggers from your favorites...
He sold all of those books (including to me) with what I would call "political and social neutral" stories. The results of inserting wokeism into his newer stories when a large majority of people have indicated that they recognize these lame attempts at propaganda and consensus manufacturing, and don't want it pushed at them anymore, remains to be seen.
I'm not demanding people create products that perfectly reflect my world view, I'm saying I won't buy propaganda. The abject failure of "woke" movies, TV, video games, and yes, fiction, means that the "modern audience" largely doesn't exist. First it's "fine, if you don't like it don't buy it" and then when it fails we are called bigots for not supporting it. I'm sick and tired of the gaslighting, personally.
Oh come on, don't be such a victim. No one is calling you a bigot for not supporting it, people are saying you're delusional for acting like the fact that people in the modern world don't still adhere to old beliefs is some kind of big propaganda conspiracy, and then making all these posts about how terrible he is and his failure is obviously imminent
The man didn't do some "woke" bait and switch, he grew up immersed in a particularly sheltered and extreme conservative worldview, and after interacting with legions of fans who were gay/trans/whatever and realizing they were also just normal people like everyone else, decided they were deserving of inclusion and representation in the worlds he creates
But hey whatever, tell yourself what you gotta to get through your day, this world is totally fucked up (and not because of the gays and fantasy novelists) and we all do what we gotta do....
He grew up in a sheltered and extreme place, huh? Parents probably shouldn’t shelter their kids huh? And extreme. I mean…so 15 yo girls getting their breasts removed is probably not extreme for you, but saying that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin is. Ok.
The ENORMOUS difference you people seem to not understand is the childrens agency. A kid growing up in an extremely religious environment has 0 agency. A kid getting top surgery is a choice they are making. And it is a rare one. Less girls get top surgery every year than are forced to marry guys 2x their age by their religious community. To me, the marriages are far worse.
Hahaha. You must not have kids. They have no agency anywhere. You want your kid to be trans? They will be. You think a 15 year old is mature enough yo permanently mutilate themselves? Wow. Kids left to themselves are all lord of the flies. Get over it man - you are just a bigot. A lefty bigot, but still a bigot.
It reminds me of two series I read years ago. The Iron Druid Chronicles, and the sequel to Kings Of The Wyld called Bloody Rose.
In the Iron Druid Chronicles the Books near the end definitely had Feminist undertones, but the sequel series Ink And Sigil went full "Girl Boss". In Bloody Rose the Book became a Gay Orgy and "Girl Boss" fantasy not even 1/8th into it, and I stopped there.
BOTH were ruined due to the Author becoming a Woke Retărd and ruining the Characters and Series that made him successful. The same can be said about the Percy Jackson idiot as well.
It's not surprising that a Mormon would flip and start promoting the very things they're supposed to be against, seeing as they lack the power of the Holy Spirit to resist.
Couldn't even finish Words of Radience. It got too annoying. I was even hesitant to pick it up, since (spoilers) the first book ended with Dalinar saying "f you, religious authorities" to marry his widowed SIL. Sanderson has also apparently included gay sub-plots in other recent books. That he ended up going more transgressive in book 5 isn't really a surprise to me at this point.
I never thought I'd get to see it happen in real-time. The implosion and destruction of a fantasy author with him caving to the Rainbow Brigade. How many fans does he have, and after this, how many will walk away and throw away his books?
I didn't expect a devout Mormon to fall into the sin of Pride, Lust, Envy, and Greed.
I DNF'd "The Rhythm of War"
Boring
Meandering
Too long by twice
I loved the Way of Kings and the Mistborn trilogy
Hearing this news did me a favor. My TBR stack just got a couple of feet lower as I removed Sanderson books from it.
So… he is publicly, but passive aggressively, “coming out”? Lame.
Soooo tired of EVERYTHING becoming a bait and switch.
"Bait and switch" Bro changed his stance on "sinful lifestyles" over a decade ago. He has been incredibly clear that he supports LGBTQ rights for a long time now. There is one gay couple that kisses once and holds hand twice in a book larger than the complete LotR. GET OVER IT.
I had no idea since I had never heard of this faggot or his drivel books. You are obviously too distracted by drooling over Cooper Anderson and channel surfing between CNN and MSNBC to have noticed that the post mentions the first books in the series didn’t include any queer bait trash AND THEN HE SUDDENLY INSERTS RAINBOW VOMIT FAGGOTS pissing off fans. Did you even read the post bro? Now off you fuck.
We’re not “getting over it”, the pushing of degenerate and sinful lifestyles is not acceptable and we will not take it lying down. Go back to BlueSky where you belong, faggot.
Who is he chasing? The 3 blue hairs who wouldn't buy his book anyway? There have been more convincing photos of Bigfoot than any quantifiable measurement of the "modern" audience.
It is the unfortunate reality that most book buyers are women. It is also the unfortunate reality that 80% of the publishing industry is now women. I’d be willing to bet money that most of Sanderson’s direct writing/editing team, as well as his company in general, are women.
This should answer your question.
...and that is truly sad. It defies logic, and really is a self-licking ice cream cone. The audience is tiny who read fantasy and sci fi and are women. At least they don't want you to think so, of course. It's something akin to how Disney destroyed the built-in audience of Star Wars, chasing after a demographic who never liked the series or the genre to begin with. The Force isn't 'female'... they are desperate to erase men.
Perhaps they're jealous that they aren't as strong or as logical (on average). Perhaps they dislike that their primary hormone gives them nurturing and motherly ability while men makes strength, power, and analtyical thought. (on average.) I'm not saying that women and men are completely different. We are built to serve different roles. It's a pretty good idea that this happens in the animal kingdom and they can't see it. It's no secret if you look at history, these things become self-evident. I am not referring to taking away rights for women... except maybe the right to vote... that has been a disaster. ;) (They didn't get that little card from the draft board... which is why they didn't get the right to vote for SO long...) Tell a woman that, and she'll turn purple with rage... but it's the truth. I am not against women. I am against women erasing men and traditional masculinity. It's just that simple.
We are a special creation... made in God's image... and He has a purpose for male and female. They want to subvert this, because they hate being themselves. They hate being wpmen. (See: Ellen Page.)
The 17th shard group is super pro-LGBT. It wouldn't surprise me if they were a large factor like the common excuse for "deconstruction of faith"
Reading Sanderson's confession of allegiance to men who like to wear dresses is like the closing lines of 1984:
"But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."
1984 is the prequel to GK Chesterton’s “Napoleon Of Notting Hill” and is the origin story of the villain Mr Owl.
Poor George Orwell will never get rest. He was a socialist that leaned anarchist and just hated Russia. He explicitly stated this many times in his personal writing. Yet you people love to pretend he agreed with you.
First, how is my quote from 1984 inapposite?
Second, Orwell "just hated" totalitarians of all persuasion. "The problem with leftists is that they have wanted to be antifascist without being antitotalitarian."
Woke Leftists claim the antifascist label while being totalitarian.
Orwell would have condemned them.
Modernity is such a plague to fiction. I read for escapism and immersion. I don't care to read anything that evokes the modern day no matter what side of the political spectrum. If I wanted that, I would just read articles online.
I have to admit I didn't see this one coming, never read any of his works but I must confess that I had planned to start in March.... this is quite disappointing, I've quite a few friends who like Sanderson. I have no doubt this will make money but not sure what else it is for? People are tired of this agenda nonsense, I imagine this will definitely get him in trouble with his fanbase.
Dude I would still read it personally, the gay stuff is kinda annoying but also not a huge element and pretty tame (it's not like you have to hear about sodomy and the forbidden love stuff is more about them being different species than gay). The most annoying element to me was that combat was downplayed a lot compared to the first 3 books, since the spectacular and creative magic systems get to shine the most when they are showcased in combat having characters turn pacifistic is a big waste of Brandon Sanderson's talent. However there was still enough combat to be enjoyable and the overall "message" of the book felt more apolitical than woke.
To each their own, M. Huxley. I’m still not keen on it in any form as to my mind this genre should be above modern politics but do go ahead and disagree with me, I don’t mind.
Fair enough, I just don't want you to think it's worse than it is because it is extremely mild by current day standards.
Well, I guess I have purchased my last Sanderson book. No reason to catch up on Stormlight Archive now.
Has no one ever explained the concept of "read the room" to him? His timing is atrocious.
Dude literally has sold more than 3x as many books as game of thrones. Maybe all you lot are the ones failing to "read the room"? Stop demanding people create exactly how you want them to, eh? If you can't find someone in this world of self publishing who will perfectly echo back your world view to you and you don't want to try writing yourself you can always ask an LLM to remove all of your triggers from your favorites...
He sold all of those books (including to me) with what I would call "political and social neutral" stories. The results of inserting wokeism into his newer stories when a large majority of people have indicated that they recognize these lame attempts at propaganda and consensus manufacturing, and don't want it pushed at them anymore, remains to be seen.
I'm not demanding people create products that perfectly reflect my world view, I'm saying I won't buy propaganda. The abject failure of "woke" movies, TV, video games, and yes, fiction, means that the "modern audience" largely doesn't exist. First it's "fine, if you don't like it don't buy it" and then when it fails we are called bigots for not supporting it. I'm sick and tired of the gaslighting, personally.
Oh come on, don't be such a victim. No one is calling you a bigot for not supporting it, people are saying you're delusional for acting like the fact that people in the modern world don't still adhere to old beliefs is some kind of big propaganda conspiracy, and then making all these posts about how terrible he is and his failure is obviously imminent
The man didn't do some "woke" bait and switch, he grew up immersed in a particularly sheltered and extreme conservative worldview, and after interacting with legions of fans who were gay/trans/whatever and realizing they were also just normal people like everyone else, decided they were deserving of inclusion and representation in the worlds he creates
But hey whatever, tell yourself what you gotta to get through your day, this world is totally fucked up (and not because of the gays and fantasy novelists) and we all do what we gotta do....
He grew up in a sheltered and extreme place, huh? Parents probably shouldn’t shelter their kids huh? And extreme. I mean…so 15 yo girls getting their breasts removed is probably not extreme for you, but saying that the Bible says homosexuality is a sin is. Ok.
The ENORMOUS difference you people seem to not understand is the childrens agency. A kid growing up in an extremely religious environment has 0 agency. A kid getting top surgery is a choice they are making. And it is a rare one. Less girls get top surgery every year than are forced to marry guys 2x their age by their religious community. To me, the marriages are far worse.
Hahaha. You must not have kids. They have no agency anywhere. You want your kid to be trans? They will be. You think a 15 year old is mature enough yo permanently mutilate themselves? Wow. Kids left to themselves are all lord of the flies. Get over it man - you are just a bigot. A lefty bigot, but still a bigot.
Glazer beam. Nice.
It reminds me of two series I read years ago. The Iron Druid Chronicles, and the sequel to Kings Of The Wyld called Bloody Rose.
In the Iron Druid Chronicles the Books near the end definitely had Feminist undertones, but the sequel series Ink And Sigil went full "Girl Boss". In Bloody Rose the Book became a Gay Orgy and "Girl Boss" fantasy not even 1/8th into it, and I stopped there.
BOTH were ruined due to the Author becoming a Woke Retărd and ruining the Characters and Series that made him successful. The same can be said about the Percy Jackson idiot as well.
Chuck Tingle would have done it better.
When the author decides the agenda of the moment is more important than the story...
It's not surprising that a Mormon would flip and start promoting the very things they're supposed to be against, seeing as they lack the power of the Holy Spirit to resist.
Sad.
The entropy of human nature comes for us all, without strenuous maintenance or miraculous intervention.
Really a shame about the stories though.
Couldn't even finish Words of Radience. It got too annoying. I was even hesitant to pick it up, since (spoilers) the first book ended with Dalinar saying "f you, religious authorities" to marry his widowed SIL. Sanderson has also apparently included gay sub-plots in other recent books. That he ended up going more transgressive in book 5 isn't really a surprise to me at this point.
I never thought I'd get to see it happen in real-time. The implosion and destruction of a fantasy author with him caving to the Rainbow Brigade. How many fans does he have, and after this, how many will walk away and throw away his books?
I didn't expect a devout Mormon to fall into the sin of Pride, Lust, Envy, and Greed.
Sanderson is SandHERson now, I guess. It was to be expected.
This is so disappointing. I had no idea he had come into this way of thinking. I was blissfully ignorant.