Amazing Spider-Man has been a disaster for years, but Marvel Comics keeps letting it go on under editor Nick Lowe. At New York Comic-Con, fans had enough.
Given how Spider-Man was Stan Lee's favourite character and essentially how Stan wished to see himself or at least who he aspired to be, one can say that to deconstruct Spidey is to deconstruct Stan Lee.
Strangely, I'm of the view that we should let these characters die for awhile and replace them with newer and older ones. Thoughts?
I mean I was a big fan of the Spider-Girl comics, where Peter's daughter "Mayday" took over the role.
But in those books, Peter wasn't dead, merely crippled from a climactic battle with Osborne. It was nice because it let him still be a mentor to the new spider, while also giving an excuse for him to not be doing the job himself.
Then again, I love legacy stories like that. (Loved Batman Beyond for example.) I'd rather mentorship than death, but I'd rather death than stagnation.
(Then again, in the ultimate spidey books they did kill peter parker off so Miles Morales could take over.)
Ah that’s fair, I’ll be honest I hated the MC2 universe because they got rid of Ben Reilly, who was the real Peter Parker. After they retconned out and killed Ben, I lost all interest in Marvel.
As to mentorship maybe, it works sometimes, and at other times not. May was a good character though.
Likely they did lol. I just view it as him and Peter did the tests themselves, to undercut that means dumbing them down as characters, ergo Ben’s the real one. BUUUUUT it means our beloved Peter Parker gets MJ, and Ben who had the more interesting arc has to deal with what he’s going to do next and find himself.
It was a more interesting set up, and in a way is more akin to the Biblical stories of Joseph, and Job.
It’s been many years since I read “life of reily” (which was more interesting than the actual clone saga TBH)
I do understand the appeal of the idea, but… it’s one of those ideas that sounds great in the pitch room, not as much on delivery.
Of course had the writing staff been able to pull off the arc as they intended, would it have landed better? Eh…. It would have at least had a better chance than the clone saga we got, which was royally screwed by marketing. SFDebris did a great overview of the whole thing, especially behind the scenes:
I’ve read the Life of Reilly 3 times, I quite like it but still love the comic story better than the Life hahaha.
I’m particular about my tastes, so that it is the only Superhero story I still like to this day. Weird I know.
But anyways, it is indeed a case of the story getting royally screwed by marketing and other factors as you rightfully pointed out.
My brother once wrote fanfiction about it, a sequel of sorts continuing with Ben’s story (a what if he lived and remained Spidey), with Peter becoming Scarlet Spider and Ben going on with some of the animated series storylines (with some tweaks) and him becoming a doting uncle. Might have to turn that into a podcast for Alliance Authors.
Is this supposed to be some alternate universe Spider-Man? This doesn't feel like Earth-616.
That one page tells me what these writers really want to focus on. Worthless relationships drama worthy of the same kind of people who would rather watch like "30-Something", "Felicity", "Third Watch" or "Providence", but with bouts of spandex instead of suits, scrubs or firefighting gear. Definitely no longer for the 11-16yo crowd.
Also, stupid nitpick on the art. How is "MJ" standing straight up while half outside the window, not supporting herself against the sill?
About time Lowe sees that fans have had with the he way he thinks Spider-Man should be. Hopefully this can show Marvel they had enough of his crap and bring in a new creative team.
I was at the Spider-Man panel and it was hands down the worst panel I attended at the con. Number one, Nick Lowe is not funny. He tried and it fell flat. 8 deaths of Spider-Man looks just okay and there was a ton of Venom news. It was all kind of boring and I was one of those people who tried to leave a little early. I waited over an hour to go to that panel and I feel my time was wasted.
Good for the fans. The clowns running Marvel and DC need to know just how people feel about their crap. And the more that news about this sort of thing gets out, the more the general public will see what's going on.
Awaiting an enormous gamma wall of text from lowe accusing all the fans of various ists and isms.
I had no idea how badly they've trashed asm.
Given how Spider-Man was Stan Lee's favourite character and essentially how Stan wished to see himself or at least who he aspired to be, one can say that to deconstruct Spidey is to deconstruct Stan Lee.
Strangely, I'm of the view that we should let these characters die for awhile and replace them with newer and older ones. Thoughts?
Absolutely agree. Let them go fallow again as they did from about 1947 to 1956.
100%
I mean I was a big fan of the Spider-Girl comics, where Peter's daughter "Mayday" took over the role.
But in those books, Peter wasn't dead, merely crippled from a climactic battle with Osborne. It was nice because it let him still be a mentor to the new spider, while also giving an excuse for him to not be doing the job himself.
Then again, I love legacy stories like that. (Loved Batman Beyond for example.) I'd rather mentorship than death, but I'd rather death than stagnation.
(Then again, in the ultimate spidey books they did kill peter parker off so Miles Morales could take over.)
Ah that’s fair, I’ll be honest I hated the MC2 universe because they got rid of Ben Reilly, who was the real Peter Parker. After they retconned out and killed Ben, I lost all interest in Marvel.
As to mentorship maybe, it works sometimes, and at other times not. May was a good character though.
I mean... Ben Reilly being real or not is...
well I think protestant vs catholics had less contentious debates. lol
Likely they did lol. I just view it as him and Peter did the tests themselves, to undercut that means dumbing them down as characters, ergo Ben’s the real one. BUUUUUT it means our beloved Peter Parker gets MJ, and Ben who had the more interesting arc has to deal with what he’s going to do next and find himself.
It was a more interesting set up, and in a way is more akin to the Biblical stories of Joseph, and Job.
It’s been many years since I read “life of reily” (which was more interesting than the actual clone saga TBH)
I do understand the appeal of the idea, but… it’s one of those ideas that sounds great in the pitch room, not as much on delivery.
Of course had the writing staff been able to pull off the arc as they intended, would it have landed better? Eh…. It would have at least had a better chance than the clone saga we got, which was royally screwed by marketing. SFDebris did a great overview of the whole thing, especially behind the scenes:
https://youtu.be/nOtSp2VZYHU
I’ve read the Life of Reilly 3 times, I quite like it but still love the comic story better than the Life hahaha.
I’m particular about my tastes, so that it is the only Superhero story I still like to this day. Weird I know.
But anyways, it is indeed a case of the story getting royally screwed by marketing and other factors as you rightfully pointed out.
My brother once wrote fanfiction about it, a sequel of sorts continuing with Ben’s story (a what if he lived and remained Spidey), with Peter becoming Scarlet Spider and Ben going on with some of the animated series storylines (with some tweaks) and him becoming a doting uncle. Might have to turn that into a podcast for Alliance Authors.
Until Marvel can learn to respect its customers, nothing will ever change.
I still have the Golden Age Spider-Man comics, along with Batman and Superman.
I guess I'll have to hold on and re-read them.
Is this supposed to be some alternate universe Spider-Man? This doesn't feel like Earth-616.
That one page tells me what these writers really want to focus on. Worthless relationships drama worthy of the same kind of people who would rather watch like "30-Something", "Felicity", "Third Watch" or "Providence", but with bouts of spandex instead of suits, scrubs or firefighting gear. Definitely no longer for the 11-16yo crowd.
Also, stupid nitpick on the art. How is "MJ" standing straight up while half outside the window, not supporting herself against the sill?
The Big Two readers/congoers must be masochists. This is like watching graverobbers defile a corpse.
About time Lowe sees that fans have had with the he way he thinks Spider-Man should be. Hopefully this can show Marvel they had enough of his crap and bring in a new creative team.
I was at the Spider-Man panel and it was hands down the worst panel I attended at the con. Number one, Nick Lowe is not funny. He tried and it fell flat. 8 deaths of Spider-Man looks just okay and there was a ton of Venom news. It was all kind of boring and I was one of those people who tried to leave a little early. I waited over an hour to go to that panel and I feel my time was wasted.
Good for the fans. The clowns running Marvel and DC need to know just how people feel about their crap. And the more that news about this sort of thing gets out, the more the general public will see what's going on.